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3324 The Music and Movie Podcast
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3324 The Music and Movie Podcast
Rediscovering the Charm of Physical Collections
This episode dives deep into the nuanced conversation surrounding streaming services, unraveling whether they truly live up to the promises of affordability and access. The discussion touches on the evolution from traditional media to digital consumption, addressing the cost implications and psychological effects of limitless choices. We explore the complexities of music streaming and the often-overlooked relationship between content creators and revenue. Our overarching message encourages listeners to curate their media experiences, revisit physical collections, and utilize alternative resources for a richer connection to music and films.
• Exploration of streaming's impact on media consumption
• Discussion on Netflix's rise from DVD rentals to a streaming powerhouse
• Examination of the costs associated with multiple streaming subscriptions
• Consideration of 'doom scrolling' and the effects on viewer engagement
• Insights into how streaming has transformed music consumption
• Encouragement to curate rather than only consume media
• Discovery of alternatives to traditional streaming services and physical media options
Tarifold media storage options
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Speaker 2:Get ready for the 3324 Podcast where lifelong friends Dean Leggero and Eric Kuber share their love of all things music and movies. Leggero and Eric Kuber share their love of all things music and movies. Dean has directed short films and is a music trivia buff, and Eric, trained in audio engineering, brings his extensive knowledge of music and film to the conversation as they discuss, debate and celebrate their favorite albums, films and much more.
Speaker 1:Welcome, friends, to the 3324 podcast. Oh, I'm tired of saying it. It's true, eric, the premiere destination for music and movie content. You know, I'm trying, I'm trying to keep keep it up, but you know, it's you know when you say the truth over and over again you know, uh, what happens?
Speaker 3:does it start? I'll never get tired of hearing it okay, I'll never get tired of hearing it and I'll never get tired of hearing it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll never get tired of hearing it and I'll never get tired of saying it Damn it. This is the place, this is the premiere destination. Why? Because you've got two hosts that know everything about music and movies. Or we pretend to, or we really do a good job of faking it. Yeah, in addition to that, we have great guests Probably more accurate, yeah. And then we have great guests that support that and they believe that we know everything. So you know they're in on it.
Speaker 3:Wow, you're brutally honest tonight for some reason.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:This is going to be a weird show. No, just you know Okay.
Speaker 1:Telling it like it is. As we close out our fourth season, we have to give a dose of reality. But yeah, if you're new to the show, welcome aboard this. So, but yeah, if you're, if you're new to the show, welcome aboard. This is going to be very different, you know, we're we're we're kind of busting out some, some more round table style episodes as well. So we're taking a break from the dedicated music and movie content to kind of talk about, you know, a subject that's kind of starting to bubble up in in some circles, some circles, the more I'm seeing things, and there are some other events that have happened that we want to talk about. So let me get to our guests and then we'll kind of firm up the conversation. So first, of course, the professor, and he is dressed as such. Mr Nick Leshy, it's so great to have you back with us, it's great to be here.
Speaker 4:You speak facts when you say you are the premier destination.
Speaker 1:So, thank you, I'm spitting fire.
Speaker 4:It's the truth. What are you going to do?
Speaker 3:It's nice to hear. It is what it is.
Speaker 1:It is nice to hear Get the extinguisher, because I'm spitting fire. Next up, mr Christopher Clark. He is usually our dedicated movie expert and has really given Eric and I a kick in the pants when it comes to making sure we come correct.
Speaker 5:I was going to say now you're spitting out things that aren't true. That's not a fact.
Speaker 3:I'm the music guy, he's the music guy.
Speaker 5:You said the movie guy, chris, welcome aboard. But it is an interesting pairing because Nick Leshy is the movie guy.
Speaker 3:He's the guy that went and saw how many films last year, Nick, yeah yeah, you impressed the hell out of me. I was like I didn't even make that many films this year. You know there's titles I never even heard of, but that's well done, sir Well done. He's quite prolific.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Chris welcome aboard, sir.
Speaker 5:Good to be here, man. I'm looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to be an interesting one. You know, it's something that you know is kind of a little bit near and dear to my heart because, as I've been assessing consumption, I think there's a lot of different factors when we're going to talk about streaming and what does it mean to? What does it mean to stream and what are the and are there alternatives? You know, we've we've kind of hit that. That. I think that almost that tipping point, um of kind of are we going? Are we, are we at a moment of sea change?
Speaker 1:right, okay, um so let me, let me start it. Let me start the start the the conversation this way. It's kind of how did we get here, right? Um, back in the day, right, you could talk about dvd or vhs, right, yeah, uh, there was the, you know, from from time immemorial, you, you were able to rent, rent vhs and rent dvds, eventually able to buy them. But that was the business model is, you know, you can, can buy it and watch it, and stuff that you really loved you would buy and you would have a collection In as much as you had a music collection. Now, you had a collection of actual movies, stuff you didn't tape off of HBO, like stuff that was officially released. So that was the model and everybody was building their collections, right, buying DVDs or, or, you know, laser discs, whatever the format was, or transitioning from one to the other.
Speaker 1:Um, same thing with with CDs. We went from vinyl to cassettes to CDs and, and you know, you built your collection. And then you know, uh, this company came along, that kind of said, you know, you built your collection and then, you know, this company came along, that kind of said you know, we'll rent, we'll rent DVDs to you, but you don't even have to leave your house, right. And this company was called Netflix and they said you know what well, you sign up, you get three DVDs a month, or however many, and as soon as you watch it, you put it in the envelope we sent you. When you send it back, right, yeah, um, and did you guys? Did you, chris? Did you have netflix from from the job, like, do you remember? Is that something that was a?
Speaker 5:thing for you. Well, it was like right around the time, like I was like finished, like I really remember netflix, like around that like time where I was graduating college and still living at home.
Speaker 5:And I remember my dad and my brother and I we would get Netflix and it was kind of like my dad used it as an opportunity to like you guys should watch these movies and all the movies from the 70s that he never got to show us. It was like, okay, well, let's find this one and find that one, because the early model of Netflix with those DVDs it was like anything and anything you could possibly think of they had a DVD to mail it to you. I remember that's how I saw a lot of the old punk rock documentaries like Another State of Mind and all these other really cool movies that I wouldn't have been able to get at my typical video store and then that went away. And now the way Netflix is set up, it's almost kind of limiting. It's not as expansive. But there's also the ease of I just need to turn on my tv and not have it mailed to me either.
Speaker 1:Well, well, yeah, and there's there's a couple of reasons for that. I mean, eric, you were you know I, I signed up for netflix when it, when it first came out, because I'm like this is, this is cool. I don't have to go to blockbuster and browse around. I I have the video stores now in my house on the computer. Right Were you, were you a Netflix subscriber?
Speaker 3:back then. No, no, nope, never did. I mean, I knew people who did it, you know, and that kind of thing. And you know, we, you know, but no, I, I, I myself, no, I, I, I don't know if it seemed like, it just seemed like a lot of work, okay, uh, but I, I, you know, I'd much rather go to the video store and be able to pick out what you know, and maybe they didn't have as much as netflix provided. Yeah, uh, but sure, you know, you, sometimes if you don't know what you're looking for, you know it's easier, it's's. You know. That was always how I kept myself sane in terms of collecting stuff and over the years. But no, I never used the model it was always blockbuster or yeah.
Speaker 1:So you would just go in person, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Nick. Nick, did you sign up for Netflix when it originally started, when you would get the DVDs mailed to you and you'd mail them back?
Speaker 4:No, but some of my friends did. I was a big blockbuster guy at the time.
Speaker 3:Just like.
Speaker 4:Eric and they were getting things back and forth. But once we started getting everything streaming, I was one of the adapters, so a lot of my friends weren't on all the streaming services and I was like, yeah, give me all of them. When I moved, at first I was thinking just cutting the cord completely and going without tv. But my wife was like no, we need television. You know, and this was before. You had like the hulu with live tv and all those other things. Um, and now it's like you know there's still issues with streaming, like the buffering and losing connections and things like that. You know, um, but uh, you said earlier at the top of the show how a lot of people thought this would be the, uh, the answer to the expensive cable. You know where you get all these channels and you don't. You know you don't watch all of them. So you know everybody's like just just pay for what you watch. But now everybody's got like 15, 20 streaming services.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't know if it's an answer. Yeah, we're going to kind of climb the ladder and get there.
Speaker 5:Chris, what do you got? I mean just to kind of piggyback on what Nick was saying. My wife is very much the same way. She still has that kind of like. I don't know that I'm ready to completely get rid of my cable box yet, and so now it's now, I'm paying this ridiculous bill to optimum on top of, like, all the streaming services. It just seems kind of absurd, yeah yeah, it's um.
Speaker 1:Well, let me, let me, let me tie up this part and we'll get to. We'll get to cutting the cord and all those other things. Netflix didn't start their streaming model till 2007, so they had a good quite a few years under their belt of just the, the rental model, with different tiers of how many dvds you can have out at once. You can have two, three, four, whatever you know and you were just constantly mailing stuff out and stuff was coming in and then in 2007, they said, okay, we're gonna take the video store online, which was revolutionary at the time, you know, and that was supposed to be the future. Right, and it was the future. It was like here's this service that you pay and they have everything, right, and and that was what the dream was supposed to be.
Speaker 1:And probably, probably around that time, I probably started boxing up my DVD. I had a, I had a big, huge DVD and huge CD collection and definitely, probably around 2007, I started just boxing up the DVDs Cause I was, I could just watch it. It's like, yeah, I have cool hand Luke, but it's on Netflix, so I don't need to take the dvd out, I'll just, I can just pull it up for eight bucks a month or whatever. Right, and and I think everything was all. I mean, eric, you did you do the streaming of netflix at the time, like like early on or no at the time? No, no, okay, nope. Have you ever done Netflix streaming?
Speaker 3:No, I mean now I have the main. Yeah, I got the service. Okay, well, we did. I had several streaming services which we'll get there.
Speaker 1:But yeah, chris, did you sign up for Netflix when they started?
Speaker 5:streaming. Actually, I didn't get Netflix streaming. I distinctly remember getting it when my so my, my daughter's 15. I think I got it when she was like four or five, and the reason I remember that is because I was a friend of mine gave me her boyfriend's login to netflix and then my daughter decided to add her own account and then, um, suddenly I couldn't log in anymore and my friend thought her, my friend's boyfriend thought she was hacked, so I had to get my own netflix account.
Speaker 5:But there, you go yeah, so I've had it about. So I've had it about 10 or 12 years um, and, and you were just, and it was.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the way it was right. There was literally every. Everything was there at the time.
Speaker 5:On right and I think I got it more for the fact that I wanted to watch. Watch the shows that were on there like uh, orange is the new black and the crown like. For me it wasn't so much the access to the movies, as it was at least with netflix. Yeah, the thing about netflix for me was more the shows that they were putting on were like really well done and the right.
Speaker 5:The original content, the writing is fantastic, like yeah, yeah. And even now, like I just watched one, um, uh, american primeval like they do really good stuff, that's really good shows. That's the thing I think that draws people into getting all these subscription services is that there's this amazing one that's not like the water cooler talk. Now I've got to spend the $10 a month on this one on top of the other one so I can watch. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Do you currently stream Netflix?
Speaker 4:I have literally everything. I feel like I need everything.
Speaker 5:Streaming service.
Speaker 4:I've got Broadway, I've got Shudder, I've got obviously.
Speaker 5:Max.
Speaker 4:Peacock.
Speaker 1:Shudder is horror. Everything, I've got everything. I think you're going to be on one side and I'll probably be on the other, and I think eric and chris will be in the middle somewhere. So so everything was well and good. Netflix had everything. They literally had all the studios, because they were, because they were renting all those dvds. They, you know, had the arrangements and and no one thought any difference, like, yeah, okay, you know you paid for it, you know, had the arrangements, and no one thought any difference, like, yeah, okay, you know, you pay for, you know, pay the studios and you can stream, which was great.
Speaker 1:But then what? What started to happen? And where the problems start and Nick is is a prime example of that is, all of a sudden, I don't know who. I don't know who it was first, it doesn't make a difference, it might've been Warner brothers or or or somebody was like well, you know if, if their Netflix is making all that money, why don't we make that money ourselves? So why don't we just take all of our Warner Brothers films out and make our own channel and this way, anybody that wants to watch the Batman movies and lethal weapons and and whatever else there was, clint Eastwood's or whatever you, you're going to be able to watch it, but you know it's going to be all the warner brothers content, you know. And then paramount said, well, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna make our own channel too, you know. And then amazon, you know, came up and said well, we've got, you know, we can stream too. If you're a prime member, you will, we'll let you stream, we'll let you stream for free, you know.
Speaker 1:Uh, and then cbs, you know, broke off, which became you know, yeah, which then eventually became paramount, and and and NBC, with Peacock, right and then and Hulu was it was actually was probably after Netflix was Hulu, um, and, and it goes and, like Nick said, it goes on and on. There's Broadway, there's horror streaming, there's there's Quello, which just does concerts, you know. So now what was once all in one compact place for one bill has now been spread out throughout all. You know, everybody kind of took all their, everybody took their ball and went and went to their own playground, okay, which, which defeated the purpose of of the response to all this was supposed to be. Well, cable is a hundred and something bucks a month. Cut the cable, eric, right, and cut the cable and do this instead yeah, yeah, cable.
Speaker 3:I mean, uh, I'm trying to get my parents off cable, I mean because they, you know, we're trying to show them the streaming and and it's, it's, you know, you think it might be their pain. I think it almost some ridiculous amount just to watch, just for basic. Mind you, this isn't like, you know, they don't have hbo, they don't have, you know, all the, the big, the big channels that just basic cable because of the internet and such, excuse me, combined, they're paying almost like 300 bucks a month, which is ridiculous, ridiculous, I mean, I was just about to.
Speaker 5:I was just about to say to Eric's point one of the things that keeps us hanging on is we are a family of long suffering Met fans. So I have the most basic cable you can get and I've added a sports net New York to it, which is the here in new york, the, uh, the mets channel. So for that, with my phone and my cable bot, my phone and my internet, is 245 a month.
Speaker 3:Yeah, on top of all the streaming services but the real thing, that frustrates me, getting back to my folks, is I mean, they're, they're up there, but it's like they have physical copies of the shows that my mom is a devoted fan of. You know, things like Outlander and all these shows, like you know, like I got her into that show and that's all she talks about. But she watches the same fucking episodes like they show. They keep showing like the reruns of the season. She has all. I bought her all the all of the seasons on blu-ray and and you could watch the entire series from start. You know from where, and then you know the new season comes out. She'll watch that. Okay, so we'll get that physical cut, but they refuse to do that. My dad's watching the same five episodes of colombo, yeah, you know which. You can get the entire series on peacock yep or prime, the entire run, and they just don't get it. They don't. You know it's like and you're paying this kind of money for just that.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah and you make a good habit yeah, before I get to you, nick, exactly, I think there's there might be somewhat of an of a little bit of an age gap there in maybe some fear of technology or fear that if you get rid of TV you might miss something Right, and I cut the cable. I cut the cable on on TV years ago, probably well over 10 years ago. I said, you know, I'm not, there's not anything that that is giving to me that I can't get elsewhere or for free. You know the new. I get my news from youtube. There's plenty of commentary, all different opinions. I can get everything I need elsewhere. Um, so, nick, nick, what were you gonna, what were you gonna add to that?
Speaker 4:just just the fact that it is a lot. And before you know, I related to what eric was saying, because, even though I'm not as old as maybe his parents or grandparents, it's like I used to collect DVDs and before that you know, vhs tapes and I had friends who collected laser discs. And it was that fear of missing out, like you said, dean, it was like you wanted everything and wanted to make sure you had it. And cable was great because you had all these movie channels and I'm a movie buff, so I'm like I didn't want to have to, like you know, not be able to see a movie when it came out on TV or something. And I still like going to movie theaters but it's so expensive, you know. So when these streaming things came out, I was like, yeah, this is great.
Speaker 4:And then I think Amazon Prime was the one that kind of put it all together, because it's easy for me to use that. You know DVRs before that, because you could just type in okay, I want to see this show or this, and you don't have to worry about what network it was on, what cable channel it was on, what time it was on, it was just recorded and you could watch it anytime and then streaming. It was like that too. You just go to Amazon Prime and you type in the name of the show or you use the voice thing and it'll take you to it. It'll show you if it's not part of your plan. And that's where I get suckered in. I'm like, okay, I guess I got to pay for you know um Brit box or whatever it is, you know the free trial.
Speaker 4:I was going to say, and that's what gets you those free trials, cause it's seven days Then you forgot and it's in your. It's all itemized you know yeah absolutely.
Speaker 5:I mean the other thing as far as, like, the bill and the cost and all that stuff with all these different streaming services. The other problem that I have and I don't know you can call me a cheapskate and whatever, but like I find it really bothersome that even with me paying for these, services like Prime or.
Speaker 5:Hulu or any of them that I've got to pay to rent the movie. Oh yeah, that's the other thing that really kind of annoys me, because my son is way into football and stuff and he started in high school. And I was talking to my wife I said, you know, it'd be really cool, it'd be really cool to show him the movie Varsity Blues and I found it. But now it's like, okay, on top of my Prime account or my Apple account, I got gotta pay four bucks to rent the movie. And I know that seems really insignificant, but if you do that enough it starts to add up and it's no, absolutely 10 bucks a month on top of a four dollar rental fee.
Speaker 3:It just seems really ridiculous, and I think we had this problem, like for the, for the podcast, we would, you know, um, you would say, hey, it's on prime and I refuse to to pay for it. I'd be like, and you know, I think we got into a little argument there, not an argument, but like so you're telling me that you wouldn't pay. I'm like, no, yeah, it is ridiculous. But and you know, you're talking like first run movies out of tears, my, my, my daughter and my wife. They wanted to watch wicked. I hadn't seen it yet. So like, oh, we're gonna watch. You know, wick is time to time we have movie nights and my daughter was like I'm gonna buy it. I'm like, don't do that, don't do that, because it's like it was like 30 bucks to buy, 20 bucks to rent it.
Speaker 3:It's not available, quite yet yeah, you're still kind of getting a first one that's ludicrous to me 20 bucks to rent the this, this freaking thing. She bought it and I'm like don't do. And I kept telling her not to do. The guy said did they ever take this title off which they probably will at some point, because somebody will get the rights to it and they'll put it on another streaming channel. You're gonna lose it, see, you're not gonna be able to have it, you know. She thinks she's gonna keep it forever. I'm like that's not gonna happen if, because, if they don't have that title anymore, you're throwing away money right there.
Speaker 5:That's the one thing, though I will say isn't too bad. That one I can almost live with because I went to go see. The only reason I went to see it in the theater is because someone gave us movie gift cards for Christmas, but for each of us to go I think it was like $16 or $20. At the end of all in, I think it was almost $20 for this. At the end of all in, I think it was almost a hundred bucks for the four of us to go see a movie. So if I've got to pay $20 to see a first word movie in my living room, then it's. Then I'm not that I don't feel like I have to see in a theater. That I can live with.
Speaker 1:What I'm talking about is a movie that's like 30 years old.
Speaker 4:Why, chris, you have to become one of these loyalty programs to places like the Alamo or AMC or these other places, if you? See enough movies. It pays for itself. But yeah, I mean it used to annoy me with cable when certain networks or cable channels would not be on the air because they were going through those disputes because of the fees or they want to be part of the we don't do that right now.
Speaker 4:they were going through those disputes because of the fees or they want to be part of that. Right now it's here, you know. So that was annoying to me because I'm like I'm paying x, you know, over 200 bucks, and you're telling me that you know, the yes network isn't available or this isn't available, and they're going through their disputes, and it was non-stop you know, and that's what's happening now with streaming services.
Speaker 4:like, I just got an alert that the expanse the series, the first two seasons, aren't going to be around. These are the last two weeks to see it before it gets taken off, so will it be available somewhere else? Or is that going to be something where, if you don't have the DVD season collections?
Speaker 4:you're not going to be able to see it. I say DVD. Now you've got Ultra HD and all this other stuff, but it is becoming like you said. If you have the digital version it could just disappear. I subscribed to one I don't want to mention the name, and it went defunct, but I had purchased a couple of movies from there, because these were like like independent films, things you're not going to find on DVD.
Speaker 4:So I was like this is great and it just. It was gone and luckily I was able to reach out to customer service. A lot of people would just let that go and now you lost that money and that content. But I reached out to customer service. A lot of people would just let that go and now you lost that money and that content. But I reached out to them and they gave me a refund, but I don't have the content.
Speaker 1:Yeah you don't have the content it's not, you know.
Speaker 4:But if you have those dvds or even v, you know vhs tapes, you have it forever, but then you need the medium to play them back and sometimes you don't have that. You know, I don't have a vcr anymore, so all my, you know the collection of vhs stuff that's gathering dust, but luckily I can still see my dvds. And, you know, blu-rays and things like that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, uh, eric brought up an excellent point, and so did chris, so I I think we're gonna take, take what we'll take, eric's first and and nick just hit on it too. So, while while it's fresh, the question comes down to if you engage in streaming, that's one thing, but then if you buy things digitally which I've done from Amazon, you know the hub, like you know the fugitive for five bucks, I'm like all right, you know I'll take that, so I have it, but what? The question is, what do you really own then?
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, is it likely Amazon's going to go belly up? No, but that doesn't mean that something could happen where that stuff does go away, right, where whoever lawsuits and we don't want our stuff streamed anymore, or whatever. So there is that risk factor that Nick rolled the dice with. He bought stuff that was maybe obscure, couldn't find anywhere else, and it's like, oh, I got it, I have it now, yeah, and then that company went out of business and they said sorry, charlie, like here's, here's your money back. But, uh, you, you don't get to. You know you can't take it with you, right, right is is the bottom line. And then, in, in conjunction with that, chris was saying I'll pay 20 bucks to see a movie so I don't have to go to the theater. And that is creating, or is it? I'll ask you guys the question you can go around Is that mindset and the same thing with Wicked Is it part of a larger disconnect?
Speaker 1:Are we disconnecting from that communal experience? You know we lament, you know we on the podcast, when we do a movie or when we do a concert of music, we talk about oh, I saw this in the theater. Yeah, we went to the theater and you know, eric and I went to the theater and saw this and and that's what made this podcast is those communal events that we shared. Yeah, that that create. To create that bond now is is you know, we'll start, we'll start with chris is this, is all this playing a part of a larger disconnect, with with us being disconnected from and from the content? Since it's so easy, we'll get into doom scrolling. That's next on the list so you guys can start thinking about. If you don't know what doom scrolling is, we'll explain it to you, but we'll get into doom scrolling. But is this, is this creating that that disconnect? Chris? I know it's expensive and I and you, you definitely that. That's definitely a a barrier to entry.
Speaker 5:Right. Well, I mean, and that's the thing, like for me, I, I really it has to be, and I especially when you know you think about a family and a budget and all that kind of stuff like I really have to want to see the movie and pay the tick pay for the ticket to go and see it. Like wicked. I saw the show on broadway. I really liked it, but would I've me personally, spent 20 to go see that in the theater? No, all right. And but at the same token, the Dylan movie that just came out, um, a complete unknown. I went with my dad and my brother. I would have happily laid out the money for that because it's something I really wanted to see. So, like that's the whole thing is like, yeah, those movies where you're on the fence about going to see, oh, maybe I do want to see it, maybe I don't to me that the ability to see it at home and see it with you know other people and only pay the 20 fee makes it a lot easier to swallow than if I you know where I, where I'm gonna pay that money, where I might not have because I didn't want to go see it in the theater, but at the same time.
Speaker 5:I don't think everybody has that mindset either. I think you make a good point. I think we're very much in this age of convenience where it's a lot easier to just like let's just all like have a, watch it at our house and not go out and have that experience of a theater and seeing certain. You know, some movies are meant to be seen in a theater and I think that is being lost.
Speaker 5:Like I let last year um ghost put out a concert movie, uh, uh, that I made a point to go see with my son and my my brother because to me that's something that should be experienced in a theater. Or like when I was a kid and the exorcist came back into the theater, I went and saw that twice, once with my girlfriend and once with my my dad, because to me that was a movie that needed to be experienced in a theater. And I think people don't think about those things anymore. It's like there are movies and there are moments that should be experienced watching it on that giant screen. I don't think that means as much to people as it once did. I don't know if it's the sense of community that's being lost or just the idea of it's cheaper and less of a hassle to watch it in my living room than to put on my sneakers and drive to the theater.
Speaker 1:Nick, before I kick it over to you, a couple of things. Then Chris almost kind of said well, it's better than nothing, right, I'm not going to pay money to go see this in the theater, but I'll pay for streaming, right? And also is the younger generation just desensitized to this, because this is not how they're being brought up. They're not being brought up where you're going, except for when you're really young. Your parents take you to the movies, but then once you become you know, you know paying your own bills or doing your own thing when you're a teenager, you just have a device on you.
Speaker 5:Right and it's so much more disposable. Like, even I know we're focusing more on the film side of things, but I even think that that's oh yeah, on the film side of things, but I even think that that's oh yeah. Music too we're gonna get true for me, true for music. I mean, like I my as much as I love spotify for the fact that I'm a music freak and I can listen to whatever I want whenever I want, I think the fact that my kids lost that ritual and that community of I found this in in a unknown, you know some random bin in a record store that I never thought I was going to find this album, or saturday night, let's, you know, drive up central Avenue to go to tower records and you know we got money to burn and let's see what we want. Like that whole joy and that whole passion of film and music I don't think this generation has because it's so easy to have and in some senses it's so disposable.
Speaker 1:It's very transactional right, Exactly.
Speaker 4:Nick, what do you got Um, got um. Just, I guess movies have been around for so long what a hundred something years so they survive. Tv, obviously you're gonna have people that go to live theater shows, live concerts, you know, live sporting events. But movies for the longest time were not threatened by television. But now they are. Now you've got home entertainment systems where you have the widescreen tv, the surround sound. So there's a lot of people that say, well, you know why should I pay money and go see it? You know, and all the things that people hate about going to the movies, the fact that people talk, and you know that that kind of stuff to me, that's all the reason why I love going. There's certain things that you have to see with live people Hearing people laugh, hearing people gasp at certain points.
Speaker 4:I love that. I like not having the distraction of watching something at home. Whenever I'm watching something at home, even if I turn off the lights and I'm just focusing, I'll get distracted. I want a drink, I'll pause it, or sometimes I want to be like, okay, I've got to rewind it and hear that again. In a movie theater you're really a captive audience and you have to sit there and enjoy and I love that about it. And there's certain things like seeing movies like.
Speaker 4:I just went to see Clockwork Orange on the big screen. I'd seen that movie on TV so often, but seeing it with an audience and some of those people in the audience were seeing it for the first time. That's the way to watch some of those movies on a big screen, the way they were intended to be watched, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, eric, before I kick it over to you, quentin Tarantino gave an interview recently and he said what is the point of making films? He goes, it's going to be in the theater for four weeks, it's going to go to streaming right after that. People don't really go to the go, go out to watch it. So what is the point of of making an actual film when, when the art of or the, the experience really doesn't exist anymore? Right?
Speaker 3:you know. So it's got a point. And is this in response to why are you only making 10 films? Is that I think it was? Just I think it was just rant.
Speaker 1:I think it was generally just ranting about like I think they were talking about. Well, he said he's not gonna just to veer off.
Speaker 1:He said he's not gonna make his last film until his son is six years old okay, because he wants his son to be on the set and he wants his son to have something to remember and have an experience. So he's gonna. He's, the son is five, he goes, but I'm not gonna do anything, but I'm gonna write. But he said, what's the point of that anyway? Because that whole the, the, I guess the magic and the majesty of movies, yeah, is gone. It's in the theater for four weeks. They get what they can because the diminishing returns start almost immediately, sometimes in the second weekend. So we got to get it, we got to get it to streaming, so, but, but you know, as someone who's a really a physical media purist, yeah, do you still find yourself going to the, to the theater, though?
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's the I mean for first and foremost. I mean that first and foremost, I mean that's the only way to experience a film and after that you know you had seen it, you experienced it. But I have to. I mean I'm still going. I mean I could own a movie.
Speaker 3:I've owned, I have movies sitting on my shelf that I've had, blu-rays that I've had for 20 years. Of course, before that it was, it was the dvd, before that it was the vhs. You know I've upgraded, you know, but I but there's, there's still like blu-ray now, like 4k is coming into, but I won't buy, I won't replace my blu-ray with 4k unless I don't have the film. Yeah, I like, and the only time I buy 4k is if it comes with the blu-ray, because I have this sort of. So I have both. Yeah, but that you were talking about, like um, you know the kids not being desensitized. Well, I took my youngest son, who really has taken the time to really appreciate my love of film, and I've been showing him movies left and right and he's loving it.
Speaker 3:Last year we saw Close Encounters in the theater 40th anniversary. I haven't. That's awesome. I've seen it so many know, so many times. One of my favorite films and the experience of seeing that again on the big screen was was you know, and it was the, the director's cut, like his third version. So the compromise there. I mean I had never seen that version before. In the big fellowship of the ring we saw, uh, the extended cut, no less, on the big screen.
Speaker 5:That's an investment of time. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3:I mean, that blew us away too, because it was 4K. It was the 4K which looked phenomenal, it sounded great. Rear Window was another one. Fathom, the Hitchcock movie, yeah, yeah, oh, my God, that blew my mind because I had obviously never saw that in a theater. You know, I only had ever had the vhs or physical copy. Yeah, so going back and seeing these films again, it's like, you know, if I own it, I don't care, I'll go, I'll pay the money to see it on the big screen because I have to yeah, it's a special.
Speaker 1:If you want to, it's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a special experience, that kind of it is a shame, unfortunately, that, like like you were saying, like you know they, they don't, they don't last, they don't. You know, movies aren't made like that anymore. They're just, they're just it's more, I don't know what. I don't know what it is. I don't know what changed.
Speaker 3:You know, the pandemic really did its job and yeah, you know, but you would think that things are definitely had an effect, but I don't, I just don't think people um, I don't, like you say, I don't think they care as much anymore, like it's just not something that that is that important to, and, of course, the prices and yeah and it's easy to consume.
Speaker 1:It's easier to consume. Everybody has a phone.
Speaker 5:I mean you see how many people are walking around with phones in their hands.
Speaker 3:But how could you watch a movie on your phone? Versus a scene on the. You know what I mean, like I never got that.
Speaker 1:If you're on the subway, you're commuting. I was going to say yeah, but go ahead. What do you?
Speaker 5:got. I was going to say to your point, and it's unfortunate that Tarantino thinks like that because, like to me, all of his movies are meant to be seen in a theater, like anytime I have the opportunity to see. Like I still remember the first time, the first movie I ever saw his in the theater. I don't know how I got in because I was only a sophomore in high school, but, um, I saw, uh, uh, pulp fiction and I and I still and that's the thing about going to see it in the theater is like I think all of us have, especially, you know, I'm the group I'm talking to now like you remember when you saw certain movies, like it's not just like a thing where you go to a concert. Like I remember when I saw pulp fiction.
Speaker 5:I remember and it's a sappy movie, but I remember when I saw titanic and even just like you know you talk about people don't want to go because of the interruptions. One of the things I remember most about seeing titanic is somebody, as Jack was put into the water, screamed out Jack Frost, like almost 30 years later, I still remember that and it's a funny moment that I've shared with a hundred people, right? So like that whole experience is like getting lost and I, you know, and I would what I was originally, you know, chiming in to say is I really do think COVID sped up the, or at least amplified people not being so quick to go to the theater because to try and make the money for movies that were going to go into the theaters, you suddenly had all these movie companies like well, we can't show it in the theater, so we're going to present it to you here on Amazon. We're going to spend it Like. I remember the Bill and Ted movie. That was a big one that they did that with.
Speaker 5:And there remember the bill and ted movie. That was a big one that they did that with, and there were a few others that.
Speaker 1:And I think they realized that this model works and if we can't get the asses in the seats in the theater, we're still going to make our money on television screens yeah, and that kind of led to the original content that nick was talking about, where you know, um, you know, uh, you know one that sticks out is that that movie, manchester by the sea, which was made it was in the theaters, briefly, and Casey Affleck won Academy Award, but it was Amazon owned. They made it, and then it went right to Amazon and then it became, yeah, we, we can get these big names, we don't have to put the movie in the theater anymore because these actors gotta work, you know, and and they gotta, they gotta put food on the table. So if we're making movies and they're not going into the theater, but we've got, you know, 7 million subscribers, yeah, and we capture, you know, a fraction of that it's still the same thing as if people went to the movies, you know.
Speaker 3:So there is that the production standards for these things are just you know, oh yeah, the scene was fantastic. Yeah, you can't. You really can't tell the difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, yeah, the difference anymore, yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, there used to be that direct-to-video stuff that would be like, okay, you could definitely tell the quality, you know, yeah, yeah, and you could discern. But but it's, it's, it's become such a part of the you know of, of trying to capture those dollars of, oh yeah, we have, you know, we got you know martin scorsese to direct hafa or you know whatever it was. You know I heard you paint houses, the irishman, right, right.
Speaker 1:The Irishman yeah, it would be on Netflix exclusively, but maybe it did a limited theater run. I disordered the theater. They lure these people away. But what is it doing to that experience, nick?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Think about what made Netflix go to streaming right. It was just the delivery mechanism. The internet allowed, now the delivery. So why are you spending money on making physical media and postage and bringing all that? So now kids have access to these devices, these phones, and they're able, like you were mentioning, watch movies on the bus, on, you know, in class, if they can, you know, get away with it, things like that. So the whole delivery system of just distributing these movies to theaters, that system is broken. You know, it's like I remember Titanic. You mentioned Titanic. That was on for months.
Speaker 4:That's how it became such because it was never like making hundreds of millions of dollars a week. It was like this kind of it just never faded.
Speaker 1:When new?
Speaker 4:movies came out and people were still going to see Titanic and I remember as a kid they were showing like King Kong, you know, the original from the 1930s, and they brought all the kids in to watch it on the big screen. So you had this system of you know, you had things like that King Kong, just like repertory, kind of movies playing that people would see because you couldn't see it on tv without commercials and without you know. But now you're getting to see them all like digitally and streaming on your t. So that system is so different and if young people aren't going to go out because that was movies is like, that's why you know star wars and all these kind of like popcorn flicks became so popular because they were driving the market. And if you don't have kids going to movie theaters, we're not going to. Old people like us are not going to be able to sustain it, unless you're a movie buff. And even I need that loyalty program to go see as many movies as I need to see, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So they're making more money, you know from, from streaming, than they are doing it the other way yep, chris, um, what I was gonna say too is, like you talk about kids is like, um, not that my kids don't watch movies, but like when I was a kid, film and movies were kind of a big thing, like whether I went to the theater or, like you know, my brother, uh, and a friend of his we always have this conversation when we're together of like remember those movies on HBO that you just watched over and over and over and over again, and now they're like kind of burned into my consciousness, and not necessarily that they were, like you know, masterpieces of film, but like they're still important to me in my childhood, like you know, things like the Wraith or like iron eagle or one of those movies that was like, yeah, constantly on hbo, whereas my kids, as much as they, like you know, like I said, it's not that they don't watch movies, but it's not as important to them because of, like, the immediacy of, like you know, tiktok and instagram and all those short videos, like watching a two-hour movie, right and exactly, and it's always something at your fingertips, so it's not as much of a meme culture, you really have to want to see it, to want to watch it.
Speaker 5:Like you know what I mean, it's not just something that's always on and, of course, mean.
Speaker 3:Meme culture has really kind of brought movies down a peg too, like as you're watching. They'd rather watch the funny moments of these memes, like joking about the movie, instead of just actually watching the film. Yeah, and they have. It's so out of context. You have no idea what the joke even is responding to if you haven't seen the film. It's like I don't understand it. And that's the thing. We have these conversations. My kids are like they love this shit, but they'll take the time to watch the film with me, so they give the old man some uh, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So let's, let's let's flip the coin over. Let's talk a little bit about music, because you know that has become. You know, and we could, we could trace, we can almost trace the same trajectory, just put you know, although it's a little different. Actually, you know there was the, the model you know you you'd buy. You know you buy your cds, tapes, whatever it was. Then the internet came along and napster and bear share and kazaa and limewire came right and everybody started downloading stuff. But they were stealing, they were, you know, they weren't paying for it. That kind of got clamped down.
Speaker 1:And then apple releases a device called the ipod and they release software called iTunes that goes along with it. Right, so now you can, you can get your, you know, your collection of music onto this device. But then you can also just sit at in front of uh, in front of the computer, and buy individual songs for 70. I think they were like 79 cents when they first started. You know, uh, or you could just buy the album. You don't have to go to sam goody or tower or best buy, you could just sit here and and get the new releases right, this is the same exact thing. So you know that. That that tactile. You know what chris was talking about. Oh, I have extra spending money. Let me go to tower and just walk around. We, eric and I, spent hours just walking around tower friday night was my.
Speaker 1:That was my hangout spot on friday night and seeing if that place was huge, you know right seeing if something came in that we missed yeah, um so. So that gave rise to, to, you know, the mp3 revolution of ripping your stuff and and digitizing your, your stuff. But then all of a sudden that kind of gave way to Spotify. Now let me ask the three of you when I say the word Chris, when I say Spotify, what what's the first thing you think of?
Speaker 5:Honestly be honest, the most important app in my phone.
Speaker 1:Nick, do you use? Do you have a Spotify account?
Speaker 4:I do, but it's because my daughter got me okay, because it's like her generation. She's constantly listening okay to, to spotify lists and and all that stuff. So, um, yeah, okay eric, what about you?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's pretty much the same you pay for spotify I do um, because there's the content on there is is it's okay and and a lot of, a lot of, a lot of obscure shit you know, just stuff that you you know yeah.
Speaker 1:So so, just to as of the, actually the. As of the recording of this. This is so coincidental, I did not plan this. As of the recording of this episode. Today's my last day paying for Spotify. I really cancel.
Speaker 1:I'm not paying for spotify anymore, one of the first things one of the first things that comes to mind with spotify that I think of is they don't pay their artists. That's the first thing I think of is how, how horribly these artists are treated, which is different than amazon, who makes a feature film and pays their actors and pays everything, right? The second thing, before I kick it over to you, chris, is, like Eric said, there's access to everything. Yeah, but my, the playlist I have that they give me, plays the same 50 songs. Yeah, right, it plays the same 50 songs. You know it doesn't, and it doesn't really put anything new in front of me If I, if I leave my daily mix number one or number two they're all variations, you know it's.
Speaker 1:It's going to want to keep me listening. Their algorithm is to keep me listening, so they're going to keep giving me things that I'm comfortable with to keep me listening, right, as much as I love X, the DJ, the, the ai dj, and I got this for you and this is what you listened to last year, um, and I and I got to the point I'm paying. You know, I have like the multi plan, you know the multi account plan. That's 20 bucks, it's 18 something with tax, it's 20 bucks a month. Yeah, it is right, 200, 200 bucks a year, which is which is crazy. Yeah, um no, 240 a year. I'm sorry, chris, what do you?
Speaker 5:have jump in. I was gonna say I mean for me, though, like when I think about 200 bucks a year. How much did I spend when I was buying cds every year? Well, here, we go.
Speaker 1:Well, and here and here we go, I'm gonna. I'm gonna turn your words against you, because neil didn't like what Spotify was doing. He took all his music off. Yes, that's right, you're right, fair enough. It took a long time for Led Zeppelin, so you're not owning any of that right. So the $240 that you're spending, you could maybe be building your catalog, which is something I got away from, and, like I said earlier in the the, in the show, I packed up all my cds I actually gave all mine away and then what happened is is my cd.
Speaker 1:I'm like these are taking up too much space, so I took them all out of their jewel cases through the jewel cases way and I put them in a binder and then I put four binders in the bottom of my closet and there they sat for for years and because it's the same thing, I can listen to it on spotify. I don't need to pull out these cds. And I didn't have a cd player for the longest time, and I think in 2015, when I got into vinyl. I think that might have been like the, the beginnings, that, like the inklings of wanting that tactile experience again of yes, I can, I can ask my, my echo device to play whatever I want, but there's something about going to the collection and selecting it.
Speaker 4:Nick yeah, two, two things. I was gonna say something first, but you just mentioned, it takes space to have all this physical media yes, it does, especially if you collect, you know.
Speaker 4:So we'll talk, we're gonna get to it, then we'll talk about it. The other thing was just like all this kind of I guess it's the amazon factor and things where they recommend things for you, you know. So before spotify, I was listening to pandora so and I loved it. I was listening to it back before it was called pandora. I forgot what it was even called back then, but it was just like it would recommend songs that I never heard of. But it had this algorithm where it would figure out, you know, based on the kind of movie you like to and replay and listen to. So I rarely was getting the same songs all the time. It was always something new and fresh.
Speaker 4:So now on spotify, you know my daughter wants the premium version, right, because she's listening to it a lot more than I do. So I don't really, but I agree with you about them. But I love how they recommend things and you don't get that. Now. It's kind of like going through tower records and discovering new things. I love hearing these new songs that my bands I never heard of.
Speaker 5:So yeah, chris, um, I mean, I'm torn, like just to kind of. You mentioned a few things. First of all, the thing about artists not getting paid. They, they don't get paid enough.
Speaker 5:But I my question and this is the thing that I struggle with Is it? Is it because of Spotify or is it because of the record labels and the way that they're recording contracts are structured? And the reason I say that is a few years ago, I listened to an interview with Brian Slagle and I don't know if any of you know who he is. He's the founder of Metal Blade Records and they were like a very well-known heavy metal label in the 80s and they're still around and he said that the way Spotify works and the way he structures his contracts with his artists, that they make almost as much as they do now than they did when they were selling physical media. So my question is is he full of shit? Does he care for his artists more than other people, or is it so? Is it really spotify that you you blame, or do you blame these record companies that have become like these? Well?
Speaker 1:it's spotify that's setting the rates. Is it spotify?
Speaker 1:setting the rate yeah, and there because because you have spotify, you have youtube music and you have amazon and I think spotify is one of the lowest that payout as far as rates go. I just looked up, because Mr Blue Sky from ELO just hit 1 billion streams, 1 billion streams and I just looked up the average what the payout is for a billion streams and it's like $3 million for a billion streams and it's like $3 million for a billion streams. So if you sold, if you sold that song for a dollar and you sold a billion of them, you would have a billion dollars.
Speaker 5:But would you get all billion dollars Cause remember everybody even after taxes. You know again everybody involved in that record gets a taste the producer, the record company.
Speaker 1:But even this, it's the same difference here. This is what they're getting off the top, and then they've got to do all that dividing and all that chopping up as well, right. You're not getting it pre. You know that's not their cut. That's the total. Nick, what do you got?
Speaker 4:it pre. You know that's not their cut, that's the total nick. What do you got? That's why I'm one of the people that misses napster every day and I think, I think you know I hate, I hate what the record companies did, you know, because it was like all greed. Here you had something where, yes, people were stealing music, right, but it was also giving garage bands the opportunity to distribute their music, you know, instead of having to make the, you know the, the mixtapes and and drop it on people. You know, um, but here you had a system and what happened, you know, instead of. You know they misplayed both sides, right, you watch all the documentaries about it and you see, but if they found a way to monetize that and find a way to still keep like some kind of a free model where you know people, you could discover instead they.
Speaker 4:It became what's happening with streaming. You had to break it up, yeah, and you know it's now become like, you know, this kind of free-for-all wild west, but people are still making the big money and the artists. You know, unless you're like the Taylor Swiss of the world, you're, you're probably, no matter what your contract is, you're getting screwed one way or the other, you know.
Speaker 1:Chris, before I kick it to you, eric, you used to pay for Napster, cause Napster did monetize Right and you used to have a subscription, didn't you back in the day?
Speaker 3:I think he used to time, yeah, very short time, but yeah, so, yeah. So where do you land on this with, I mean, spotify, like yeah, I mean I'm thinking of cutting it out myself. I mean because I've been listening to a lot more. You know, I've been buying. I haven't really been collecting as much, uh, physically and music on the music side, uh, but now I'm starting to like you, especially like a lot of the groups that I love, and there are certain genres of music that I gravitate towards.
Speaker 3:So I'm not quite one of those people who like have to have, like I have to listen to 50 new things in a day. You know what I mean. Like I'm always going back to something familiar, but yet I'd let the artists refer me to something else, and that's how I, you know I don't depend on, like the, the, the streaming services to show me oh, you checked, you know whatever. Uh, cause, typically the. Well, if you like these guys, you'll like these guys, and they sound nothing like. You know what I mean. So that's like, that's why Pandora, I think.
Speaker 4:Pandora had a great. Whatever algorithm they came up with, I thought really worked yeah.
Speaker 3:You can make your playlists, you can do all this kind of cool stuff. I don't know. For me, too, there's just the whole idea of and this applies to movies too the idea of having. The biggest problem I have with the streaming is the fact that you have too much to to to go through and I find myself doom scrolling, doom scrolling and just and wasting time because I'm not committing to anything if I'm not watching something original, something that they're putting out.
Speaker 3:I wish they would just have a channel where they just made original content. Original new series, you know, have a sort of a you know, let the movies, you know, sort of the chips fall. They may there, but but if they had like a division of some of these streaming service where they just devoted like all brand new content, new movies that they're making, yeah, you know, and then, but netflix is the the prime. It's a mess to try to navigate your way through that to that service, it's like, and I just end up turning it off and putting on something that I have because I can't, they all are bothered yeah, and same thing with music.
Speaker 3:I it's like I have nowhere, I I have no idea who should I be listening to right now. And I'm like you know what I mean Like it's just not the same. You know, when you have that limited capability of knowing exactly what you want, and you know it takes time, it takes patience, it takes taste, I think, in a certain and you're putting something of yourself, you're creating something for yourself. Sure, you know, like you're not just oh, oh, I'll just listen to anything kind of thing, you know, because that's I don't like everything and I don't like, you know, I don't like every movie, every ever made, and I don't like every piece of you know band and and that kind of thing. It's just impossible, you know.
Speaker 1:So I kind of set parameters you have to you know, nick, before I kick it to you, the, the thing that that set it off for me was when I had cable. I would literally do laps through the channels. I would go through the whole channels and get back to the beginning and then go through again. I'm like all I'm doing is just carouseling, I'm just going through and I'm not stopping anywhere, which was what convinced me. It's like none of this appeals to me, so why am I going to pay? And then, yeah, the same same thing. I'll go to amazon prime and I'll see what's new and I'll just go through the whole thing.
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, you know, I didn't pick anything, you know, and and so yeah, so having everything isn't necessarily great because we don't want, like eric said, I don't want everything. It's nice to know that everything's available, but I'm never going to use all of it. Like I said, my playlist you know the playlist that I get served is elo eagles, chicago. You know stuff I could easily curate, but but which is going to lead to how do we get to new stuff?
Speaker 4:but let me kick it to nick and then chris yeah, I mean, I'm old enough to remember the days of what it was only like four channels or whatever. You don't want us we would flip, even if we were watching something good. When a commercial came on, we would channel surf, right, but there was only a handful of channels. Then cable came around and you're like, wow, 200 channels. But you would still sometimes, like you said, dean, you know, just carousel through all of them, and now you've got more than you could even number, right so many things yeah, but, and you know, a lot of them understand that netflix and all this stuff.
Speaker 4:You were talking, uh, eric, about trying to find original content. A lot of them paramount, apple tv plus they have like features where it's like original content, like just just like how they would subdivide it by genre right but I still, even with that, I'm still like Dean said. Sometimes I sit down and I'm like, okay, I'm just going to look, I'll find something in five minutes.
Speaker 2:An hour goes by Two hours go by and I spend just watching trailers looking things through, Chris, what do you?
Speaker 5:got To your point too. When it comes to that stuff with the streaming services, I still find myself going back, at least more so with the movies and the TV than with Spotify. I go back and I watch the same shows. My son has us all re-watching Ted Lasso right now. That's the show we're watching as a family. We watched it over last summer and now we're watching it again. I'm not looking for anything else on Apple. I just went back to that particular show and Now we're watching it again. Like I'm not looking for anything else on Apple. I just went back to that particular show and we're watching all three seasons again.
Speaker 5:But as far as like Spotify, what I like about an app like Spotify and again my conflict is the biggest things I struggle with with Spotify are things like I think it's taken away some of the like, the things that got me into music and sucked me into music, like going through dad's record collection, going to tower and, like you know, finding music and getting you know tapes from my cousin and all stuff. Like my kids, as much as I love music, don't have that same kind of like passion or didn't experience those things. So there's like that again. It's become very disposable, but and I I do also struggle with that issue with the artist but for me it's also like there's this sense of like community, where it's like I'll get a text from my dad you know, I'm listening to this today. You guys should really check this out and then I'll get another text from my brother you know, I just when he got into goose. You guys really need to listen to this band and would send it to me.
Speaker 5:and you can make these collaborative playlists where you're making playlists with people that you're you're sharing music with and now what I've started to do is not so much jump singles but, like my brother and I were doing this thing where every month we pick either a different artist or a different genre and listen to the entire catalog or listen to like important albums in that genre. So, like right now, we're listening, like last month it was less claypool and primus and this month it was rancid and tim armstrong, and now next month we're going to listen to the records from the seattle scene in the 90s. So, like I, I don't rely on what they tell me to listen to, but I also have such a varied and wide expansive taste in music that it makes it easy for me to have access to all those things and not have to keep a million cds in my you know, two-bedroom apartment with four people living in it.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's like now I get you that aspect of it, oh man I, I, I think, yeah, you know, and and I think we've hit on a lot of good you know, a lot of a lot of it is complaining, and that's what we're kind of talking about, but I think, no, I think we need to provide solutions, though I, I think that's what what I wanted to get to was well, what do you do then? You got all we, you know we spent the last 50. You know almost, we spent the last 50, you know almost hour just talking about, well, how you know how difficult this is and how it is is well, we're not telling you to ditch streaming. I mean, it's going to be horses for courses, right, it's. It's what you know, what you want for.
Speaker 1:For me, I also found that there was overlap. I'm I was paying for Spotify, right, and I also pay for youtube premium. Now I pay for youtube premium. It's only 10 bucks a month because I don't want ads when I watch, when I watch videos on youtube. What you get with youtube premium is youtube music, which has everything that spotify has, plus more, because you can get the audio versions of stuff that people upload live concerts and other things that come with YouTube music. So I'm like, okay, I, I'm, and I have, since I have, uh, amazon prime there's. There's Amazon music also. Now it's not the full thing, but there's access to music there, cause I'm not going to get rid of my prime because I order a lot of stuff from Amazon, so, so, so I think I would encourage people to look for things that's overlapped. I totally missed the boat that YouTube music was a thing or how rich it was, and now that's what I'm doing is I'm getting rid of $240 worth of Spotify. I'm still going to be able to look stuff up, but I'm also not going to it as often.
Speaker 1:Who talked about? Chris mentioned a couple times about storage, okay, um, and, and this whole thing, you know, and where this whole thing start. Why this idea for the episode started, you know, for me was um, eric sent me a box. He sent me a bunch of stuff for christmas, okay, and it was a t-shirt and it was an action, a cool action figure in there, and there was, there was three blu-rays in there, yeah, okay, and I have an xbox one that I haven't turned on in two years. So I get these, get these movies out. I'm like, wow, I want to watch these, but I'm like I'm not really equipped to watch these films.
Speaker 1:You know, which at that point, at that point, made me assess the whole thing. It's like, well, why, why don't I? Why don't I have movies anymore? Or why are they in boxes in the back? And that came to chris's point of I don't have a place to store these. They take, it takes up too much room, right I? I want to reconnect.
Speaker 1:I started buying. You know, I hooked up, I got a portable CD player off of eBay and hooked it up to my receiver and it sat there. It's like, well, how do I get back? How do I do this then? How do I navigate it? And I did come up with some things and I want to share them because I think it's important to Chris's point or for people that want to dip their toe into it.
Speaker 1:And there's one thing that I took away from all the stuff I was exposing myself to, and there's a difference between curating and collecting. I used to collect. I used to work at Suncoast and Eric the Two. Whenever a new DVD came out, I bought it and I just filed it away. I never even opened it. I gave away so many sealed dvds it wasn't even funny.
Speaker 1:So now it, now it's the I I'm not trying to make myself feel like I have to get everything. I want to curate the stuff. I want to listen to the stuff, I want to have a connection to right, so I want, I want people. You know, if you take, it's the difference between curating and collecting. You're not just buying stuff willy-nilly, you're curating a collection of the things you want. In this way, the streaming is still there. If I need to, we need to do an episode about something that I don't have. I'm going to need that unless I buy it. But now it makes me more intentional about what music I want to listen to. Nick, you want to jump in real quick before I go.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because I wanted to talk about just having too much stuff, and it started with books for me. Before I was married, I would collect DVDs and books and then my wife got me the Kindle and I was like I can never replace a book. But the Kindle going on, where you can bring 500 books with you, that's, that's amazing. But there's still things. You need that tactile experience, like you said so to have. That you know it's still had. So what you were saying about curating, I think think about it like clothes, you know. It's like you know you can't. There's just so many clothes that fit in a closet, right? So every time you get something new, you're looking like oh I haven't worn this in a while, this has to go. So I think that's a great suggestion about curating. After a while it's like okay, here's a DVD or a book that maybe I haven't, so I'm still guilty of just hoarding with things like that, but that's a great idea, I think. If people start thinking about it, how important is that? Are you going to watch that again?
Speaker 1:Or if you want to start a collection, that's exactly what it is. Don't feel you have to buy everything that's out that you. You know again, they just you know there is a place for the streaming, but there's also a place, and eric has been a huge proponent of physical media. He's always he's been. Since the day we started the podcast he's been like get it on. You know, I have the physical media, I have the blu-ray, I have and mind I'm like, dude, you could just stream it, stop it.
Speaker 5:But even you too, dean, you always have the, I feel like every episode I've done with you. You hold up a vinyl of it. I do.
Speaker 1:And I said that's what started it. But I have so many more. I have hundreds of CDs and I have DVDs that I. I have a couple of boxes left but they're in a closet because they take up too much space. So I started to. I said I need to. If I'm going to do this, I need to have my CDs out. They can't be in in in binders underneath the closet collecting dust. They need to be out so I can physically browse them and pull something to listen to. There's a. I'm going to put a link in the show notes there's. There's a. I'm going to put a link in the show notes.
Speaker 1:There's a company called tarifold that has absolutely revolutionized what I have done with my collection. My, my dvds take up this much room and I have the box art in it. I have the art from the. So I'm I'm replacing a big, thick piece of plastic the dvd box with this, where the art fits in. The movie is in there and it's slim and I can flip through and browse. I've done the same with my CDs. I've replaced one piece of plastic for another. The art is in there, it's flippable. And then for Eric, they make Blu-rays also, which are also the same as my video games. So I've okay. So what I've done is I I have literally I've been taking out boxes of plastic dvd cases out to the recycling for the past three days because I've now afforded myself the ability to have my collection but then also to buy more without feeling like where am I going to put this stuff? Because now I think this takes up the room of three CDs, maybe even less, and it's easy to browse through. Nick, what do you got?
Speaker 4:That's what I was going to say. How easy is it to browse through? Because I'm looking at that, I'm like I got to get that and then I'm thinking how do I use, just like my bookshelf, and I like seeing the spine. I like seeing the title, like the records, where you don't have to kind of flip through it, you know that way you flip through it like a record.
Speaker 1:So I'm flipping through my collection and all the spines are there all the stuff's intact that's a check this company, tariff old, has made these two with the collector in mind to preserve, because people want to preserve that box art. So I just I pull it out of the plastic, throw that in a corner and then put it in the tariff fold. And now I literally I had three boxes of dvds. They are now in a little wicker crate with the blu-rays that I can just flip through and some of the some of the boxes I kept because some of the special editions have really special art. But now I have the ability to do that. I don't need to have this, the cd jewel case. For this I need the art and I need this, the disc.
Speaker 1:But then there's some other ones like highlander that I have, whatever they want to keep, or the. I have the disney collection, so I want to keep those. So this gives me this relieves. I think what chris's stress point was is I can't afford more clutter. I can't bring more shit, as it were, into the house, right, I can't really 100 so so this was step one.
Speaker 1:So eric, eric kind of kicked me and pushed me into the, into the road, with this good job eric so then the next step was well, where am I going to get, if, get, if I'm giving this stuff up? Where am I going to get stuff from? Where am I going to get music from?
Speaker 3:How do I?
Speaker 1:get more stuff? Where can I get? Well, if I want to curate and I want to see what's out there, where can I go? Because most the big box stores don't really sell music or movies. Walmart barely sells any. Best Buy got out last year and I think Target has done.
Speaker 5:Target's vinyl. That's where you get Target. You can actually get vinyl at Target.
Speaker 1:So what I did is I started hitting all the Goodwills in my area. Okay, and your mileage may vary, but if you got the Goodwill they were $1.99 for CDs and I got a three-CD Bruce Springsteen anthology for for for $2 in beautiful shape. I always check the discs. I got the Apollo 13 Blu-ray for like four bucks Wow, you know. So there are ways to to to do this. And then, and then I went to my local library and I got a library card because the, because the library has all the has street, they stream movies. You could stream music for free, but you know graphic novels, you know I. It took me, you know, after like 40 years of not having a library card, to get to get another one again. But then I I found that my library sells used CDs and and used movies and they're a dollar for the CDs. So I got the best of sting for a dollar. I left. I left, uh, 10 summoners tails there. It's still there, it's, it's a dollar.
Speaker 1:So I can now curate music that I want, not have to worry about where I'm going to put it or how it's going to be displayed and not you know. So that kind of loosens me up to to maybe try something different or try a new artist. You know, and before I kick it over to you, yep, and then then for new music discovery, I use band camp and a lot of major artists are on band camp and and you can buy the music directly from the artists, so you're supporting them directly. All the you know, big artists, small artists. I'm browsing through that and listening. It's like, oh, that kind of sounds interesting, you know. You know, it's like 10 bucks. I could, I could take a shot on it. Chris, what do you got?
Speaker 5:I was gonna just say because, um, you know you're talking about like finding alternatives, like the goodwill or the library and all that stuff. What about? I know you, you do vinyl too. Like the biggest thing that I always blows my mind is like when I was on the radio station in college, I would go to this record store in connecticut called trash american style and I could get the original releases of like I remember I bought a copy of, uh, moving pictures by rush that was pristine on vinyl for like five bucks. But now today you go and you want to go buy a copy of it's like 30 or 40 dollars, like in you, those places where you buy used stuff. Is vinyl still expensive by comparison or is it like yeah?
Speaker 1:vinyl. Vinyl is a collector's market now. So vinyl vinyl went from being the stuff that you could you could buy a crate for 20 bucks of of good stuff to now yeah, now it's, it's a collector's mark I got, I got in right at the tail end of before it launched, so I got some good stuff. But yeah, I don't buy vinyl because it's a value. I buy vinyl because it's something I that's really curating, so I'm not going to spend it's something you really have to want, in other words, if you're going to buy vinyl.
Speaker 1:That is pure curating. So the next step I took is like, if, well, if I'm not going to have spotify, um, you know well, what am I going to use to listen to and again to, to reconnect with my uh. I saw this on my collection and, yeah, I, I resurrected my zoom. Okay, and this, the zoom, is one of the best music players, but what it was, I mean, this is like probably 2008 this is, you know, getting close to 20 years old um, I replaced the battery, I took the 30 gig hard drive out, I put 128 gig ssd in here, which is more than enough, and now I'm I'm back loading songs, I'm back choosing music, I'm back making sure that you know I'm picking. You know I just got a cd from ebay that I didn't have, that I thought I had, that I didn't.
Speaker 1:There's what, what it what it is is, it's it's more intention. There's more intention in my life when it comes to this. And you know, and it started when, when I opened eric's box and it had the fucking blob in there, I'm like, oh my god, I want to watch. Like he'm like, oh my God, I want to watch. He bought me the blob. I'm like I want to watch this.
Speaker 1:I got excited. I'm like, oh my God, we talked about it. I made a brief knockoff statement about it, but he got it from me. I'm like, well, what am I going to do? How am I going to do this? And it made me then just rethink the whole thing. You know what? What am I really doing? What am I really getting for my money? You know what am I? Am I getting my money's worth or for for the 20 bucks I'm not spending on spotify? Spend five dollars and go get five cds from the library of stuff that I'm picking and expanding my collection. Maybe it's classical, maybe it's Sinatra, maybe whatever it is. Even if I spend $5 of that $20, I'm still coming out ahead, nick.
Speaker 4:And you showing the Zune player made me think Another positive thing about digital music.
Speaker 1:I almost jumped out of my seat at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy 2, because when he gave of the galaxy too, because when he gave them the Zune.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yes, motherfucker, like, like, I have the Brown Zune. I used to be a Microsoft rep. I'm like this is you know, like, and actually it, it, it, it. Sorry to cut you off, but it made Microsoft actually have to re support this because people saw it in guardians and they started going to get zooms and microsoft's like we have to. We stopped supporting it. We have to like, like we.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they put some drivers in for windows 11 because people started getting these, so, anyway, yeah, but what I was gonna say was like the the good thing about digital, you know, and there's many good things about it, but like amazon gets trashed a lot. But I remember somebody stole my cds I had in my car. They broke in. It was like the only time I'd ever been robbed of anything and I got really annoyed. And juliana, my wife, was like you bought from amazon, right? So I went and they had the digital backup which I got when I bought this. So every digital thing that I bought is still available there as long as it's still yeah, but that's what I'm saying, but even if I download and I lose it.
Speaker 4:I as, long as it's still you know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But even if I download and I lose it, I bought it, so it's still part of my amazon account, so I could still download it again if I get a new computer, if I want to download it, because I paid for it, so it was all there. I was like, oh, I could just burn it on another cd. You know that I had cd so, and so that's the good thing that it does have its benefits of being digital, versus if I just had a physical medium and it got burned or it got destroyed or lost or stolen, it's gone, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and while I got you know and I backed, everything was backed up. All this music is backed up and you know I feel good about it. I feel like you know, like I'm reconnecting vis-a-vis the show, which is a different way of reconnecting. But now I'm looking through my old collection. I'm like, oh my God, andy Fairweather Lowe, the album from 07-08. And I listened to'm going to put the zune on and listen to another album and what I think what it has is is yeah, I think, and maybe it's an age thing, maybe there's a generation gap, but maybe you know that there is this longing to reconnect with that stuff and have that, that, even though it's not physical contact, to have some type of emotional contact to the music that I that I want and have that tactile thing that Eric has been really the biggest proponent of since forever. I mean, he really has not ever wavered from his love of physical media. He's always been like, yeah, I'm getting this, I'm getting that, I'm like, dude, that is so 2006.
Speaker 1:He's like oh, I got this and now I'm looking at, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I want to be able to. It's going to be easier for me to pull out my my thing of dvds, to flip through and say, oh, I want to watch on the waterfront. Pull it out and put it. You know, and I, you know, I got a projector, so I throw it on the wall and I sit back and and I watch it, but there's so many now, you know, like you say, collectors, it's a collector's market.
Speaker 3:Now everything is like it's. You know, some of the shit that I buy, you know you can't even get it right away because people buying it up and selling it on ebay for double the price, which is, you know, again, another annoying factor. But again, it's that, it's that curating aspect, it's you know. You know you want it. Well, maybe I do need to pay the you know a couple extra bucks for it or whatever. You know, whatever.
Speaker 3:I have some examples here of you know, some of the stuff that I have had for quite some time and, uh, this you can't crush down into a little piece of plastic. The alien anthology, you can't. You can't find this anywhere anymore. And I, this is not 4k, this is the blu-ray, but this box set is amazing. It's the content in this alone is is just is. You know the, the artwork, the, the guy that put this package together, he does all of ridley scott's. Uh, you know, he's like sort of the video biographer of all his movies. He, he did Blade Runner, he did Gladiator, he did documentaries on all four of the original Alien films, including Alien 3, which is fascinating, and this is the kind of shit that I like to have too. I love the features, the features. To me, that could be a whole evening in itself.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You even have to watch the movie. You could just watch how it was made or listen to the director's commentary, or whatever. I talked about close encounters. Here you go. There's that little, uh, where's it? Where's the button?
Speaker 5:yeah, oh wow, jesus nice well that's like the pink floyd live album that came out in the 90s so you know you, it's you know.
Speaker 3:So I like this. I'm a huge fan of Criterion. This is Del Toro's Spanish trilogy of the Spanish films Pan's Labyrinth, devil's Backbone and Kronos. This fucking thing looks like a box of chocolate. You open it up and it's like folds out Beautiful this. And then it like folds out Beautiful this. And then it comes with look at this fucking book.
Speaker 3:That's a book, right, it's like a storybook, yeah, so this is, you know, I mean, this is, I mean collectors wise, this is what people are going for. But I also, again, you want to talk about tactile experience. I mean, it's people are, they're commissioning artists to do this, yeah, you know. So I support that. I, I, you know, I, I have that in mind when I'm looking at these glorious like sets and and like I want that I, you know, I have to have that. You know what I mean. So, like, that's the way it's been I have an entire and I don't have everything.
Speaker 3:I have a very moderate. I mean it is. I have two shelves, two bookshelves that are, you know, uh, niche. You know some of the boutique, like criterion and an arrow, has been putting out some wonderful stuff. Uh, american werewolf in london, the artwork on that again, the, you know the, the, the booklet, the, you know the. It's just. That's the kind of stuff I keep in mind when, when you know somebody's actually drawing this, it's not the old poster art, it's, it's something new. Somebody got paid for this. And if I'm contributing to that in some way, somehow I don't know if they're getting any money by by people buying this stuff or whatever, but still I just have that in my, in my crazy brain, thinking that well, I'm, I'm supporting that, sure, supporting, oh you're absolutely helping to keep it alive, absolutely, and
Speaker 3:again it's. It's it's putting something of myself, like you know, like I, I'm proud of the collection I've accumulated. So when people come over and they can look on my shelf and say, oh man, man, look at that, you know like, yeah, you know, I like showing that off. I like you know. And again, with, like Dean, with the vinyl, I was impressed in just a very short time when I came to visit, how much I am, I mean, you know, because he had, like Dean hadn't said like as a kid he never really collected vinyl. He didn't have that experience as a kid, right. Have that experience as a kid, right. I mean you, you know. And I come to your house and you, what do you? You got almost over 200, you know, vinyl records on a shelf. I'm like, wow, I never had that many when I was you know like I still don't.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. So, like you really went for it with a passion, I mean, and that's, and that's something that you know, you can't, you just can't. It's not quite the same.
Speaker 1:You know when you, when you just it's in the cloud, or you know what I mean yeah, yeah, so well said, so well said that that it is a it's, it's personal to everybody, right? It's, yeah, it's a personal thing and we're certainly not trying to, you know. I think we've covered a lot, you know, and I think we're just trying to trying to show both sides of the coin that that, yeah, we live in this, this instant gratification kind of model right now, where everything you can just pull up and pull up, yeah, but there's something to be said for taking control of it, right, and, and wrangling, wrangling the snake and and and getting it to do your bidding and saying, no well, I'm, I'm going. Oh well, I want to listen to the stuff I want to, when I want to and how I want to. And to that point, I do want to just offer some alternatives too, because we talked about getting rid of all these streaming systems. There are some great free ones. I can't cry to the stars enough about Pluto TV.
Speaker 5:Pluto.
Speaker 1:TV is free and I remember when Pluto first came, came out, there was like two channels. One of them was world poker tour, all the time when they showed commercials. It would be three commercials but it would be the same one over and over. Now pluto tv is. It's free, it'll always be free. There are movies on. They have one channel that's always showing all the indiana jones movies just over and over, and there are commercials but they're uncut. Another one just shows the Godfather, another one's just showing 007. And then there's a channel near and dear to my heart that just shows Three's Company. They show all of them and then they start over and they go through them again.
Speaker 5:On particular to the old Unsolved Mysteries reruns.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, pluto TV for me has replaced what I was getting out of tv, because I get my news online anyway. So my entertainment is there. Uh, nick mentioned pandora. Pandora is free and they have a great out. That he's correct. Their algorithm is great.
Speaker 1:I highly recommend jeff lynn radio because you get jack johnson. You get all these interesting artists that kind of come through. Tubi is another free one, but I think they're either just bought by somebody major or getting bought by somebody major. I think Tubi is going to be streaming the Super Bowl for free. As long as you sign up for a free account, you can get the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:So I think what I want to put out there is that there's options, yeah, that I don't want people to feel like you have to have spotify or you have to have this. There are ways to to get things. You know me going to getting a library card, then looking at what they had available for streaming, and they have a lot of foreign films and they get a lot of artsy stuff and so so I'm not kicking all this stuff to the curb. I can't. We need streaming as a part of our lives. It's, it's, you know. Yeah, we're living in this age. But there is room for that other experience. You know where you're stopping, which I got with vinyl. When I'm choosing the record I have to put it on, I have to sit there and listen because I have to turn it over, you know when it's done, and flip sides and then sit back down and just calm myself and not just have music on all the time as a background thing. Nick.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a couple of other tips too. Like, if you have a library card, check in your local area, because you might be getting some free streaming stuff with your library card Like Canopy is one that has like really esoteric kind of things and if you are subscribing to cable, you might be getting some free streaming stuff that you might not be aware of. So that's why, if you have Amazon Prime a lot of it, you know, just check what you got, because it's all Amazon Prime kind of collects a lot of the stuff and you just you see it and it'll tell you what's free available to you and what is not, and you'd be surprised how many streaming services you might already be paying for and might be getting.
Speaker 5:So yeah, chris, I think the bottom line is and I mean you know to just kind of. I think I mean the point I think we're all trying to make is the idea of like, do your research and then, after you do your research, do what works for you best. Like there's there you go.
Speaker 5:Well, that's just, it is like it. And I think we're just too quick to say take what's being given to us and saying this is this is how it should be. But I really think if you take the time and look at what's out there and say, okay, this works for me, this doesn't, I can live without this, but this is what I want to have, and then do what works for you, Like that, that's really the bottom line. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, it comes down to options. You know, I think I think we, I think we, we very easily put the blinders on and get tunnel vision Right, and we, you know, like I said, I've had Spotify for I can't tell you how many years and it's like I need Spotify, I need to have it. I'm like, well, but I have you know.
Speaker 1:I have the miracle by being on CD and I want to listen to it, but I'll never think to pull it up on Spotify. But now that I have this stuff out and I'm flipping through, I'm like, oh my God, you know, I want to listen to this and I have such a great. I have, like you know, 400 CDs and I'm like all this stuff is sitting there just like like dormant but I'm paying someone else to have access to it. Yeah, like I said, the new stuff. I was scrolling through Facebook today, just quick, as we wind down.
Speaker 1:I was scrolling through Facebook today and I've been getting served a lot of new music artists on Facebook and there was this woman, a young woman. She's singing like jazz standards and I clicked on it. I heard what I like and she goes I'll give you the CD free if you just pay for shipping. So I went to her website $5.99 for the CD, she's going to autograph it and it's in the mail and as soon as I paid I got the email for the digital download. So I already have it. So it's already on my Zoom, but then I'll have it when I want to listen here. So this is manageable. It's manageable to find new artists. It's there. Like I said, bandcamp has been great also. I've been kind of checking things out and doing that. So if there's just a little bit of intention, you can kind of navigate this and listen to the things you like and find new stuff.
Speaker 3:Eric, is there any tips you have, as we, as we close out? No, just, it's just like chris said, just you know, do the research. It takes time, it takes patience, it takes, you know, it all depends comes down to, you know, whether it's nostalgia for you, whether you just you. You know it's like a time capsule, some of this stuff, for sure, um, but again, you can't own everything. If you try to go down that well, you just you'll go insane, you know, and just don't chase things that aren't important to you. Just you know, if you look at something, if you have it in your hand, it's, do I really need this? Do I want this? Do I? You know what? And also, too, what, what else is this thing offering me?
Speaker 3:there's there's a lot of a lot of movies out there that have no features. I have nothing on the disc I tend to like. Okay, well, that I could. Probably, you know, I'll watch that movie on a streaming channel, because if you're not going to give me anything more, you know, then I don't really need this right now. I'd rather rather get, I'd rather shift my focus to something that I extra content. I like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:Some of this stuff is, uh, my film school. You know, I never went to films. I should have, but I, you know, I, I, I learned a lot from this stuff. I learned a lot from, you know, from the source, of how, you know, things were made and and and you know that that's that's the stuff that I really, uh, focus on too. So, all right, but yeah, like I said, it's it just and put and just. You know, before you know it, you got something that is special to you and, uh, and you alone, you know. I mean you could share it with people, of course, but at the end of the day, it's all. It's all about what you like and what you love.
Speaker 5:So there you go, cool yeah, chris, any closing words, no man, that's. That's I think eric put it very succinctly and again, what works for you. Like I'm not somebody that uh, like, for me the music was always the main thing and the yeah, the packaging was always kind of secondary. So for me, like that's why streaming works for me, because I'm, if I have access to the music, I'm happy. But I also understand the idea of you know I already have it, so why am I paying for it? So I mean, again, just it goes back to what works for you. You have to do what works best for you and and access to what you are trying to gain access to in the way that's the most convenient and cost efficient for you as a person. So nick.
Speaker 1:Final thoughts final thoughts.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, some days I wake up and I'm so happy the cloud is there where all this stuff will be backed up all my digital pictures and videos and I don't have to worry about. But it could disappear tomorrow, right? So I like what you said about curating, and when you're trying to get rid of some of the stuff you have, ask yourself what gives you joy. Whichever one of you said that, I think that was fantastic. Look at it and say does this bring joy in my life? Am I going to look at this again? Is there going to come a day I wake up and I'm like I want to reach out and physically have it? That's a good way to measure what to keep and what to kind of put it away in storage somewhere or give it away.
Speaker 1:Some other person might find joy in that. So yeah, yeah, absolutely. So. I, to close out, you know I we're going to put links. I'll put. Put the link for tariff old via amazon, uh, to their store. They have all types of storage, even if you're only going to buy a couple of cds even. You know, I'm not saying go hog wild, but you know it just makes it a little bit easier to manage and to get into.
Speaker 3:I might. I might look into that for my cds. I have a whole bin full of yeah, so it was a game changer eric, I'll text you some pictures of how, how I have it organized.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, we'll put a link for tariff old, we'll put some links for pluto tv, uh, for tubi, for pandora. I think, though, you know, we want to provide you with some, some actionable resources, if you want. Again, like every, all everybody said the same thing. It's kind of like what you want and what you want to get out of it, and we're just trying to give you some opinions and kind of talk, and I'm glad we were able to have this conversation. I think it was so, I think it was so valuable to kind of get some of that stuff out. You know, and maybe other people were feeling the same way or just kind of. Or just, you know, get you to, get you to think about where all that money is going, because I I also had the hbo hulu disney plus package. That was 18. That's gone too. You know it's like, yeah, again, it's it's. You know, when it comes down to it's it's value for the money. You know, am I paying them just to scroll? Each month is a scrolling fee? Um, what is it? You know, but if you're getting the value out of it and you're watching it, then then great it's. You know that that's what you're getting out of it. So, um, that's going to do it for this episode of the 3324 podcast. Like I said, there's going to be a whole bunch of stuff in the show notes. You can check that out If you want to continue to continue the conversation on Instagram, youtube or Facebook.
Speaker 1:We're happy to share more information, share more information. I'm happy to share any tips, tricks. You, you have more questions about how you know how I made this, this change over, and and and Eric has a lot, of, a lot of information too about what he looks for when he's, when he's shopping, and Chris and Nick as well. So you have any. If you're looking to kind of, what does it mean to curate any? Any one of us can answer that question. You know it will mean something different to you, but we can kind of point you in the right direction as well. So that's going to do it, nick. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. The professor delivered as always. Christopher Clark. Thank you so much as well for your valued insight and hitting some of my launch points before I got to them, which was perfect.
Speaker 5:Good, I'm glad I could help.
Speaker 1:The Segway master. There you go, got me right there. And, of course, eric and I, we're going to continue to bring you episodes each Thursday and hopefully more round tables to come. So for Nick, for Chris, for Eric, this has been Dean, and please go out and buy some music and movies.
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